yeah, Joe ltved off beersbridge road and surprisingly enough he also had a sister called peggy, the turley's ive met several times since they moved to downpatrick and their family also were big in the constuction industry, the murrays i mentioned from castlereagh street didnt go to st anthonys school if i ever meet John or Dermot will try to find out , the only michael o neill i can think of was paul o neills brother and they lived in the street behind willowfield drive (Jocelyn?) he was a few years older than us , any help?